Tapering Off Suboxone: Three Patients’ Success Stories

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This year I’ve had three long-term patients taper off the buprenorphine products I was prescribing. All three are doing well and are happy with their treatment outcome. Since tapering off buprenorphine products can be challenging, I thought I’d share their stories, to help other people who wish to taper off buprenorphine. (Note that when I say buprenorphine, I mean to include all the brands and generics: Suboxone, Zubsolv, Bunavail, generic combination product buprenorphine/naloxone and the generic monoproduct buprenorphine.)

The first patient had been on buprenorphine for over ten years. She saw one of the first physicians to prescribe buprenorphine, and I inherited her from this prescriber after he retired.

When she started Suboxone, which at that time were only available in tablet form, she stabilized at eight milligrams. She stayed on that dose for about four years. She saw her prescriber monthly for the first year and a half, then every other month. By the time she started seeing me, she had cut her dose to 4mg per day without too much difficulty. When the suboxone films were available, we switched to those, both because that’s what her insurance would pay for and because I thought she could taper more easily with films.

Over the first year with me, she brought her dose down to 2mg per day, reducing by a half milligram every three or four months. I then switched her to the 2mg films, and she continued to cut off more and more from her films. I gave her some guidance, but she largely managed her taper on her own.

After a year or two, she asked me to prescribe only fifteen films per month, since she was taking half of a film per day. A year later, she had dropped to only a forth of a film per day, and needed only eight films per month. This slowly progressed until she had brought her dose down to one-sixteenth of a two milligram film which she took every other day.

That’s right…she was taking .125milligrams every other day. Her urine drug screen still showed positive for buprenorphine at her visits. I told her I thought she could stop taking that dose and not have any withdrawal symptoms, but she told me she still felt withdrawal if she missed her every other day dose. I didn’t push her; I didn’t mind prescribing only one 2milligram film per month!

She continued at this dose for over a year. When she missed a visit earlier this year, I asked my staff to call her. Sure enough, she forgot to take her dose for several days, and didn’t feel any withdrawal. I offered to see her one more time, to talk about relapse prevention and options to give her insurance against a relapse (Vivitrol), but she didn’t want another visit. I congratulated her and told her if she had questions or problems in the future to call us.

During her last year or so, we talked regularly about relapse prevention. We made plans for what to do if she had a catastrophic medical problem that required pain medication (broken bone, surgery, etc.). We discussed other big relapse triggers, such as strong negative emotions, and being around people who had opioids or other drugs.

This patient was very involved with 12-step recovery. Even after so many years of recovery, she went to three or more meetings per week. She had a sponsor and served as a sponsor to newer members. She had relatives in 12-step programs, and most of her friends were members of 12-step recovery groups.

The second patient also tapered her dose over years. I knew her for around fifteen years, first as a patient at an opioid treatment program, where she dosed on methadone. She did well from the start, though she had some slips with non-opioid illicit drugs.

She didn’t care for the restrictive nature of the opioid treatment program, so when she’d been doing well there for several years, I told her about the new option of buprenorphine treatment through an office setting. She decided that was what she wanted to do, and proceeded to taper her methadone dose, slowly.

Once she was down to 30mg, which took about six months, she made an appointment with an office-based physician, who started her at suboxone 16mg per day. When that physician retired less than a year after she started Suboxone, she transferred to my office-based program.

By the time she transferred to my office-based program, she was down to 12mg per day. Just like the first patient, she steadily tapered her own dose. She reduced her dose by an estimated milligram of Suboxone every four months.

I say estimated because cutting the Suboxone films is largely guesswork, and the manufacturer says there are no studies to show buprenorphine is evenly distributed over the film. While that’s true, buprenorphine is so long-acting that I wonder how much variation patients get in their blood levels, even with uneven distribution.

Just like with the first patient, we switched her to the 2mg film once she got to a 2mg per day dose. She continued to reduce on her own. She would cut her dose and wait for a month or two before going down again. I saw her only every two months, given her stability. She had negative drug screens, always kept her appointments, and lead a productive life. I gave her as much advice as I could, but I was impressed that she was able to listen to her body and taper only as fast as she was comfortable.

Once she was taking one-eighth of a 2 milligram film (.25mg), she stopped her medication. I saw her for one last planned visit, and we talked about how she felt. At that point, she’d been off buprenorphine for four weeks. She noticed aches and pains more intensely than in the past, but said it wasn’t anything ibuprofen or Tylenol couldn’t fix. It took a little longer to get to sleep, but she was still functioning well as a mother to her four children. She was ecstatic to be finished with medication-assisted treatment, and she knows that – heaven forbid – if she does relapse, to call quickly and come to see me to get back on buprenorphine.

Again, we had been discussing relapse triggers for months. We also discussed naltrexone, available as a once monthly shot called Vivitrol, as insurance against a relapse but she decided against it. She felt she didn’t need it.

She did individual counseling while she was a patient at the opioid treatment program, but hasn’t done much counseling recently. She saw a therapist many years ago, after a traumatic life event, but didn’t feel she needed to continue with this. She tried 12-step recovery but didn’t feel it was right for her.

Initially I worried she wouldn’t make progress in her recovery without continuing to see a therapist, but when I saw how well she was functioning in life, I decided not to push the issue. The only counseling she got was with me, during our 20-minute office visits. I’m not a trained therapist, but I like to think I have developed some skills over the years.

Her life changed completely over the past ten or so years she’s been on medication-assisted treatment. Early on, she let go of drug-using friends and acquaintances. She became focused on what was important to her: her young family and her extended family. She got a part-time job after her youngest child started school, to afford some extras for the family. Her husband is in his final stages of taper from buprenorphine, and she hasn’t rushed him, letting him take his own time, just like she did.

Drug use holds no allure for her; she hasn’t had any cravings or desires for any sort of drugs for years.

My third patient to taper off this year just saw me several weeks ago. It’s been over eight years since she used any illicit drugs. At her last visit, she declared this to be her last visit, saying her last buprenorphine had been taken six weeks prior, and that she felt fine.

She has been at a dose of less than 8mg for about two years, and less than 2mg per day for at least the last eight months. She tapered on the generic combination tablets, buprenorphine/naloxone 2/.5mg, cutting them into quarters. Once she got to one-quarter per day (.5mg), she took one of these quarters every other day for several weeks and then stopped completely.

Again, we’ve been discussing relapse prevention for literally years. Again, she decided against starting naltrexone as a safety net against relapse, feeling she didn’t need this medication. She was happy and smiling and was very kind when she thanked me for helping her these past years. I told her it was truly my pleasure, and I was honored to be even a small part of her success.

These three patients have common themes in their successes. All three had very support families who didn’t rush them to get off buprenorphine or shame them from being on it. I also didn’t pressure them. I said I’ll do everything I can do to help you taper off this medication, but there’s nothing wrong with staying on it either, if that’s what you prefer.

This left the decision in their hands. All three said this was important, since they had control over when/if/how they tapered. Once I told one of these patients to listen to her body, since she was the expert on her body and how it felt. This resonated with her, and she thanked me for saying that. She felt that took the pressure from her to try to meet someone else’s expectations.

These three patients all tapered their dose very gradually, over periods of not days or weeks, but months and years. While such slow tapers can be frustrating, not to mention expensive, to people who want a quicker exit off medication, maybe slow tapers allow the body more time to adjust to changes in dosage.

Two of the three patients exercise regularly at a gym. The third is also active, and walks nearly daily. Exercise usually helps us to feel better, both physically and emotionally. I wonder if exercise also boosts endorphin, our body’s own opioid. I’ve started recommended patients start a reasonable exercise program in advance of starting a dose taper.

All three of these patients have faced serious adversity in the past and survived it. This tells me they have skills they can use in their recovery. All three had tremendous resolve to do what was necessary to get their lives back. They kept at it, accepted the few setbacks that came their way as part of the process, and kept moving forward, even though progress was slow at times.

I admire all these patients. All have excellent prognosis, and we’ve talked about how opioid use disorder is a chronic illness. They need to be on guard against relapses the rest of their lives, and if relapse happens, I think they will know what to do.

I have another crop of patients who are dosing at 4mg or less of buprenorphine per day, all in the process of tapering. I’ll update my blog with those stories after they taper.

 

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29 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Alan A. Wartenberg MD, FACP, DFASAM on October 23, 2018 at 6:28 pm

    I think it is wonderful that people are able to fix what is broken in their lives while they are on medications like buprenorphine. I think it is wonderful that people can do the same thing with being overweight and under-exercised and ultimately get off their medication for diabetes, as well. However, I also think it’s just as wonderful that so many people can deal with their lives while ON buprenorphine (or methadone or naltrexone), even if they may never be able to fix what is broken deep-down, and may need to stay on it indefinitely. Reading so many of the comments on other threads (like the person who congratulated the poster for ending the “nightmare of methadone”), we have this hierarchy that says that a person who can remain abstinent and have a fulfilling life OFF medications is superior to one who needs to continue that medication. What is ultimately important is the quality of life, not whether it requires medication (or whatever else) to maintain it.

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    • Yes, which is why I tell patients I’m fine with them staying on buprenorphine indefinitely, if that’s what they want. These three patients wanted to taper off buprenorphine.

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      • Posted by Alan A. Wartenberg MD, FACP, DFASAM on October 30, 2018 at 1:52 pm

        I am suggesting that we should celebrate the successes of the many thousands of patients who lead successful lives STAYING ON buprenorphine (or methadone or Vivitrol, for that matter) with as much volume as we celebrate the hundreds of patients who successfully taper off. My experience is that those who are able to taper down and be successful are those who 1) had less severe trauma histories to begin with 2) had more positive resiliency factors and/or recovery resources available to them. Other forums, not as nuanced and balanced as yours, such as the methadone discussion sites on Facebook are full of people encouraging others to taper off (or simply jump off) treatment. Far more often than not, this advice results in tragedy.

      • Thank you, yes, I do agree!!

    • Posted by Terrt on January 2, 2019 at 3:30 pm

      I have a question I read where suboxone can cause mental issues like not able to care for family, unsociable etc. Now first I’m a former opiate addict who went to one of the most famous addition places there are I was up to 6 narco every for to five hours and they accidentally detoxed me with nothing which landed me on life support with a collapsed lung luckily I’m still here and aftercare terrifying detox nothing still given I stayed 3 months there you think I would not safe relapsed but after a terrible fall and though I takec100%responsibility a terrible ex friend kept offering me one I said no for about 3 days but the pain was incredible so I thought 1 went hurt and well let’s just say I was WRONG now I am on suboxone strips the lowest dose and am starting my taper now. But like I asked in the first part does anyone know if suboxone does have these mental side effects since starting 2 yes ago I have had no craving at all but I did unwillingly cold Turkey from suboxone thinking I don’t need themvatfterca few days I thought I had caught something after 5 days was ready to go to hospital then remembered my suboxone I got one took it and felt better asap. So now I know cold Turkey is not the way to go. Anyway was just wondering if there is a mental aspect to suboxone or is that a lot of nonsense because it has saved my life literally!!!!!!I. I truly recommend it for anyone trying to get off opiates. Thank you for listening if you can answer my ? that would be great even though I dont think it does God bless you for having this forum, for people to talk.

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  2. Posted by Brooke Stanley on October 23, 2018 at 7:58 pm

    I would love to hear similar stories of people successfully tapering off of methadone, instead of bup. Maybe another blog for another day…

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    • Great idea!
      The ones I’ve seen have tapered kind of the same way – very slowly, only when they are ready, after they’ve worked on relapse prevention.
      I’ll work on that blog.

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  3. Posted by Cindy Straub on October 24, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    Hi,
    Thank you for sharing the success of your patients, I always wondered how quickly (or long) it would take someone to wean off Suboxone, if they chose to do so.
    I am a nurse practitioner in Palliative Medicine. At my hospital we do not have an inpatient addiction specialist or pain management for patients who do not have end stage disease, so I am frequently called to help with these patients since I have a higher level of comfort treating patients that require higher doses of opioids. I frequently see patients who are on Suboxone, and either the surgeon did not ask, or, the patient did not share this with the surgeon, or, there was no time (emergent surgery). These patients undergo surgery and are now in severe pain. How is the best way to treat these patients? Do I continue their current dose of Suboxone and prescribe higher doses of opioids, or do I stop the Suboxone? If it’s minor pain do I just go up on the Suboxone dose (I guess this would depend on the current Suboxone dose) and can I even adjust their dose, not having the waver?
    if the surgery is planned, how long should the patient be off Suboxone, or how low should we get their dose of Suboxone down before considering a painful procedure?
    Just so you know, I ALWAYS call the treating provider, whether the patient is on Suboxone or Methadone to discuss their patient before I ever make any medication adjustments. If you don’t have time to answer these questions, perhaps you can make it one of your topics to share in the future, thank you.

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  4. This is wonderful, thank you for being an awesome doctor. We need more addiction specialists like you! Far too many many people in the field (albeit mostly not doctors) are dogmatically against MAT even when science and anecdotal evidence strongly show higher success rates. Strong support systems and (healthy) endorphin boosting activities are another crucial aspect of long term recovery in my opinion. This was a fantastic read and I’m anxious to hear more success stories!

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  5. Posted by Suena on October 27, 2018 at 12:19 am

    Man, I have so much to say, but don’t know if I really want to get into all of it. I’m a 63yr old woman, who’s been on opiates of some type for over 35 yrs. I can honestly say what your doing as a medical professional is wonderful, I wish I would of had a doctor like yourself years ago. Seriously because the bottom line is your body will tell you how you feel. You have been a great help to your patients, by listening to what they say,maybe you can recommend a doctor to me in the Metro Detroit Area.

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    • Thank you. No, I don’t know any doctor in your area, sorry.

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    • Posted by Cindy Straub on October 31, 2018 at 2:17 pm

      If you Google “Suboxone” there is a website that takes your zip code and provides a list of doctors who prescribe Suboxone. I realize this does not provide a recommendation, but it’s a start.

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    • Posted by Alan Wartenberg MD on May 9, 2019 at 3:45 pm

      You can also go on the website for the American Society of Addiction Medicine, the American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry, and the American Osteopathic Society of Addiction Medicine, who have find-a-doctor links and you can do it by your zip code. It will give you a list of doctors certified in addiction/medicine psychiatry. Going on consumer rating websites (which are numerous) with each name can at least tell you what some people have thought of them, although those must be taken with some grains of sand.

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  6. […] insurance would pay for and because I thought she could taper more easily with films. Read this post in its […]

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  7. Posted by Christian McNeil on December 9, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    I was on 70mgs of methadone for the last 2.5 years. 11 days ago I quit cold Turkey. I waited 106 hours from my last dose of methadone before I took 16 mg of Suboxone. I waited an hour and felt no relief, so I took another 8 mg, well here I am 2 hours later and I still dont feel any difference or better, What can be happening here?

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    • If you’ve been accustomed to taking 70mg per day, I don’t think waiting 106 hours is sufficient to start suboxone with optimal results. Talk to your doctor for advice, but you will likely eventually feel better if you stay with suboxone.
      I had one patient who was taking the same dose of methadone, 70mg, and didn’t tell me before I started him on Suboxone. He had a very rough few weeks, but eventually did well. He just kept taking 16mg per day.

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      • Posted by Alan Wartenberg MD on May 9, 2019 at 3:48 pm

        It sounds you are doing this by yourself. Taking 16 mg of Suboxone at one time MIGHT have put you into life-threatening precipitated withdrawal. This is NOT a do-it-yourself project. Please find a doctor to help you with this. I am not necessarily a great fan of NA (as relates to their attitudes about MAT), but 12 step programs have some great old sayings, and one of them is “our best thinking and efforts is what got us into this mess to begin with.”

  8. Posted by Michael G on December 15, 2018 at 11:46 pm

    Awesome blog. Lots of interesting stuff. I just wanted to ask you if you knew which of the generic tablets around are closest to the old suboxone tablets? I ask because having to switch to films pretty much ruined things for me in a big way. Some doctors and manufacturers forget that many of us dissolve things in different ways. When I was on tablets I felt like my normal self and was able to have fully productive days – I would let them dissolve over 20-30 mins at most and then swallow saliva. Ever since I had to switch to films, I need to hold saliva in my mouth for almost 3 hours just to feel 1/4 of how I felt on tablets. For me the problem is the dissolving and absorption levels. For whatever reason, whether 1/4 a 1/2 or whole one – it dissolved and I knew I got my dose in that timeframe. With strips, it’s like playing the lottery – I hold saliva in for almost 3 hrs because it dissolves so fast there’s no way to tell how much was absorbed before I swallow – so I wait as long as possible. If I hold saliva in for 30 mins or an hour, I might not get anything. And it’s horrible because I was doing so well on tablets.

    So if you know which current generic is most like the old sub tablets – then I can switch and feel confident knowing I’m getting the full dose. Everyone is different. It sucks that they stoppped making tablets – I’m sure thousands would switch back the moment they came back. But we know they won’t. Yay recovery.

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    • Sorry, but I don’t know which generics are closest to the Suboxone tablets. To be approved by the FDA, generic version have to give comparably blood levels to name brands…but as you say, people are different. Maybe ask your pharmacist which type they stock, give them a try, and see how you feel.

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  9. Posted by Diana Goodwin on January 23, 2019 at 6:36 am

    I am just now reading this particular blog entry, it is Jan. 22, 2019. My son has been thriving while on Suboxone; he got his life back and is rapidly advancing with the company he works for. He has been tapering and is now at about 1/2 the dose he started at about 2 years ago. His new addiction doctor (in GA where he now lives) and his previous addiction doctor (different state) both said there is DEA pressure to taper patients off Suboxone, and therefore he would have to continue tapering, even though he began to experience symptoms of withdrawal with the most recent taper and stated he wanted to remain at his current level, at least for now. Both doctors said he had to continue tapering because of the DEA. Have you heard anything about this, Dr. Burson? I am not letting anyone or any government agency put my son’s life at risk.

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    • No, I have NOT heard that the DEA is pressuring physicians to taper patients before they are ready. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, but I haven’t heard of it. Since a metanalysis released last year that shows patients continued on Suboxone ( and like products) have one-third the risk of death from overdose compared to patients who stop treatment, physicians should be even more careful about if/when/how to taper patients.

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  10. Posted by Tiffany on February 19, 2019 at 11:26 pm

    Thank you for posting these stories. I am a 34 and became addicted to prescription pain medication in my early 20’s which led to heroin use. I also was trying to overcome a couple of traumatic events that had happened in my childhood and then again in my early 20’s. I think I just didn’t have any idea how to cope and simply couldn’t handle what I was feeling. Then I was put on opioid pain meds as well as some potent anxiety meds. I found out quickly that they made all I was feeling disappear. I never believed I would ever become a drug addict. My family is very well respected and so it wasn’t something that I could ever go to them with. It was after 2 years of being on the pain and anxiety meds that I realized I couldn’t get off of them. I started having withdrawals when I would try and my life didn’t allow me to take time to deal with it and so I just kept taking them. At least at that time I didn’t believe I could deal with it. The thought of telling anyone what was happening was just to horrible. Flash forward 10 years and 2 overdoses along with countless nightmarish days and nights where I would pray to die verses having to wake up that next morning and I have been on Suboxone for just under a year and a half now. It literally saved my life! I was blessed to find a wonderful place with wonderful addiction doctors who like you don’t push me but let me decide when and how much I taper. I have gone done half of dose these last few months and now I am about to go down another half of a dose. They told me what you told your patients that staying on the medication is also an option and nothing to be ashamed of. I cannot tell you what a huge difference this choice has made. I know that I still have alot to go but in almost a year and a half I have stayed completely clean! I am so over using though and I think that makes a difference. Just the thought of going back to that old life makes me physically sick to my stomach. Suboxone has also allowed me to live a full life! It doesn’t make you feel “high” it simply allows you to be fully functional when normally you would be in awful withdrawals. I don’t even think about using. So many people don’t understand addiction and withdrawal. My own husband who is a doctor doesn’t even really get it. He had learned since we have been together through my own experiences and things I have tried to educate him on but he is an emergency room doctor and that’s scary to me how little he understood about addiction considering how many times addicts end up in hospital ERs. I am just so grateful for people like you and my own doctors. It’s the reason I am alive today! So I do hope you continue to share these success stories because it adds to my hope. I know I will be a success story one day soon and in many ways I already am. 😊

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  11. First, a “thank you” is definitely in order! Theres a thick stigma associated with MAT & I sometimes see no rhyme or reason to educate & sometimes agrue with those who attack MAT & demean those who are in MAT. Insight from Doctors such as yourself shedding light on real success stories help supply ammunition needed to make the ignorant aware that there is proven hope!
    Also these stories of detox give me hope. I, myself have been in suboxone treatment since 2008 & methadone from 2002-2006. Thank you for all you do in your profession and for sharing the knowledge that can potentially change countless lives, including mine. This makes me hopeful for the future & gives me confidence to finally share my story. Keep up the posts! God bless from WV,
    Cannon

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  12. Posted by John on May 1, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    I’m an RN. ankylosing Spondylitis. 2 years on Suboxone. The first 2 mg fill most of the receptors. so little difference in dosing over 2mg. weaning off last 2 mg I just couldn’t. brutal depression. went too fast. chronic pain life unbearable. Indocin helps me. I used to be incredibly driven, more than anyone I’ve ever met. Suboxone has me in a continual state of being sedated. I’m like a normal person and that ambitious drive I had for 45 years is sedated. that I miss. I function normal at 1 mg every four hours. 6mg/day. I could easily wean to 2mg. but am bitchy. to wean off I’d need to hide in a cabin for probably 2 months. Christianity is the only thing that keeps me going. even though 2mg fills most receptors I was brutally depressed one day I only had 2mg instead of 6mg.
    alcohol free for 12 months. I need to wean off caffeine. it makes suboxone worse. dosing varies hugely depending on how fast disolved tablet in mouth. films not available in Ontario, Canada. Ive the best MD. who is patient and supportive. she saved my life. I asked her for suboxone and the first to do so. I’ve had many patients on methadone and they are stoned for the first few hours on methadone. b/c its an opioid. suboxone barely changes mental status. if i take too much at once it does cause a mental euphoria. doctors are very wrong to Rx once a day suboxone. q4 hours is much better. divided doses. it takes one hour to kick in. My extra drive is destroyed. thats the ONLY reason I want to wean off. otherwise perfectly safe drug except for brutal depression when weaning off too fast. emotionally bankrupt if wean too fast.

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    • Posted by John on May 9, 2019 at 1:29 pm

      I forgot to mention: 2mg pill cut into 4 pieces i find equally powerful. disolve only 0.25mg under tongue very slowly. I find no difference between disolving 2mg or 0.25mg. Trust me: its worth at least trying. I had forgotten this truth and have been needlessly taking 6mg a day. I’ve switched back to taking 1/4 pill at a time instead of 1/2 pill and zero difference. I know that maybe other people are difference. The most important thing was to deal with my psychological problems first. Taking the drug to deal with stress means a lot more spiritual work is required. With my chronic pain, i’m still finding it brutally depressing if I take less than 2mg a day.

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